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Connected To The Land Ep. 20: Certified Diesel Mechanics Instructor (Jimmy Atencio)

Connected To The Land Ep. 20: Certified Diesel Mechanics Dealer Instructor (Jimmy Atencio) In this episode of Connected To The...

Connected To The Land Ep. 20: Certified Diesel Mechanics Dealer Instructor (Jimmy Atencio)

In this episode of Connected To The Land with 4Rivers Equipment, host Fred Eichler sits down with Jimmy Atencio, the new certified dealer diesel mechanics instructor, about the astounding need for service technicians in the heavy equipment industry and how people can take advantage of these career opportunities.

 

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Fred: Welcome to the 4Rivers podcast. We are your working partner and we mean it. Well, today I am sitting here with Jimmy Atencio, and Jimmy is a certified dealer instructor. And in talking with Jimmy before this podcast, you’ll see his passion, and how important he realizes the industry that he’s in, is to not only individuals, farmers, ranchers, but also the United States, and what’s neat to me is he’s got a ton of experience. He started a dealership. And Jimmy, thanks for joining us.

Jimmy: Thank you Fred.

Fred: I sure appreciate it. Let’s talk a little bit about… You’re a certified dealer instructor. So what does that mean?

Jimmy: Oh, what that means is, as far as the dealerships go, I’m gonna be the guy, that’s gonna go to the dealerships and get these technicians up to date on the latest technology, instead of sending them here and there to go to training. It’ll save a lot of money and it’ll be more readily available, if they can just come to a centralized location and learn some of the latest technology and stuff. It needs to be that the service end of it is gonna work hand in hand with the sales and the parts division, cause what this will do, is this will capstone the technicians. It’ll get them to be what they… Kinda like a black belt on the specific equipment. And so that’s gonna be my job, it’s just to train them, keep them sharp, on the latest technology, and then also understand what’s been going wrong. If there’s a common situation going on with the piece of equipment, get together and see if we’re gonna find a problem, or a solution to fix that problem.

Fred: That’s one of the things that’s always bummed me at about 4Rivers and it, again, it says in the slogan, but I’ve had mechanics, I’ve had you guys as mechanics show up with that awesome truck, that’s got, it seems, every tool and everything in it, and got us back up and running in the past. It’s important to have equipment, but it’s even more important to have somebody that can keep it running, and we were talking a little bit, your list of credentials is unbelievable. I think I said earlier, I said, “I think you could fix anything.” And you said, “Oh, I like to think that.” And I thought that was funny. Talk a little bit about the training that you’ve had, because I don’t wanna embarrass you, but you’re so good, you’re actually training the mechanics, so let’s talk a little bit about some of the training you’ve had in Russia. Well, and your experience, because having a dealership, I think makes you super unique in the fact that you can look at this from a lot of different angles.

Jimmy: Oh, I appreciate what these technicians are doing, I’ve been in their situation, I’ve been in wheat harvest and I replaced bearings and straw walkers, and I know exactly what they go through.

0:02:55.9 Fred: In the field, when you’ve got a farmer breathing down your neck going…

0:02:57.9 Jimmy: Right.

0:02:58.1 Fred: I’m losing…

0:03:00.1 Jimmy: Right.

0:03:00.2 Fred: I’m losing time, I’m losing money.

0:03:01.1 Jimmy: And you gotta have some really good critical thinking and some troubleshooting skills, so that you go out there and you didn’t forget something, forgot to bring the oil and stuff like that, because they’re depending on you, that’s their livelihood, and there’s a small window that they gotta work through to get the harvest done, and so, I’ve been through that. I employed people like that when I had my dealership, I know exactly what the dealership needs too. They need guys that really know their stuff, and can think on their own and can just do this flawlessly, so that the customer just keeps buying that equipment.

0:03:36.5 Fred: I can’t imagine the pressure, because I’ve had you guys come out and work on… I had an old 4020. So literally, I think some people don’t understand that a mechanic may be showing up and he may be working on a piece of equipment that’s 50, 60 years old.

0:03:49.0 Jimmy: Yeah.

0:03:49.0 Fred: Or a piece of equipment that was sold the other day and maybe somebody didn’t know how to set it up, or didn’t grease it correctly, and things like that, or need to learn how to set the tracking system. I mean I… It blows me away, you guys literally, oftentimes, maybe working on stuff that’s 60 years apart, right?

0:04:11.1 Fred: You gotta go out there and expect the unexpected. What they describe to you might be something totally different, that’s really gone wrong.

0:04:16.3 Fred: How often do you hear that?

0:04:16.9 Jimmy: Yeah.

0:04:17.9 Fred: Hey, it’s making a noise like this…

[vocalization]

[laughter]

0:04:21.2 Jimmy: Oh, I’ve had so many stories, I mean, knocks on a tractor, then find out it’s the baler, that they hook up to it, making a knock.

0:04:28.9 Fred: They got a stick in there, and it’s in the PTO shift.

0:04:30.3 Jimmy: Yeah, yeah. You say, I don’t hear this knock and then let me go out there, and then they have it on a baler, and it’s the baler bearing, making the noise. And it’s not the tractor. So there’s so many situations, you just gotta be patient, and they’re just humans. You don’t wanna belittle ’em or nothing like that, and it’s just very, very important, like I said, we won’t eat if we don’t get this equipment, keep it going. It’s just vital to America. And we’re talking about construction equipment too, everything is around building things and growing food, and I feel really privileged to work with this company that sees that.

0:05:07.3 Fred: And I think that’s one of the things that sets you guys apart, and talking to you before the podcast, and I don’t know, it’s one of those really neat things. You could tell when somebody’s excited and takes her job seriously and is proud of it, and even in the beginning of this podcast, you said, “You know this is how those guys make a living.” And that’s huge to me, I haven’t met… You guys really genuinely care, and especially you, and the fact that, when you’re training these mechanics, you’re saying, “Hey guys, this is really important, this is vital.” This may be on a construction site where they’re building a school, or a house, or anything, but there’s money involved…

0:05:43.8 Jimmy: Yeah.

0:05:44.5 Fred: There’s people’s lives at stake. In the case of farmers, you have a small window. You know, the old saying, “Make hay when the sun shines.” If you’re down a couple of days and then rain hits, you can ruin a whole crop, and that can make a huge difference in your bottom line, or their kids going to school, or making that ranch or farm payment. Or… I love how seriously, I guess, and the amount of responsibility that you take and see that that position entails.

0:06:11.0 Jimmy: A lot of logistics. With harvest or with construction, a lot of construction companies take bids on… That they get it done by a certain time. If they go past that time, then that costs them money, and so construction is really highly… You’re really put under the gun to get that piece of equipment going. And construction and Ag is the same way too. You got trucks waiting to load that wheat or unload it, and you’ve got family members, that moved down here just to help with the harvest. It’s just a lot of wheels moving. So you gotta get that equipment going, and 4Rivers takes it very, very seriously to keep that equipment going and that’s… I’m here to help that. And make it more efficient and the techs just need… And they want it. They’ve been asked, what could they do better? And they say, more training, more readily available training.

0:07:02.4 Fred: And is mechanics right now, and I know you guys… It always blows me away. It seems like there’s always a mechanic available when I need one, and I’ve talked to a lot of the other guys that, man, you guys always have a lot going on, but you guys always seem to have time to jump on and help people out. Isn’t… There’s a mechanic shortage across the country right now. I was talking to some guys that said, Really the vocational type stuff, you know, whether it’s an electrician, a plumber, a mechanic, that’s the future, because we’re losing people that know how to work on things. Is that an accurate statement, or is it really hard to get qualified mechanics right now, I mean, you guys…

0:07:39.8 Jimmy: It is.

0:07:41.2 Fred: Have positions open, I think.

0:07:43.0 Jimmy: It is. Back in my day, really, there was no carrot held in front of me to be a diesel tech, but now there are so many incentives to be a diesel technician and the money they make… I have students, I’ve taught for 10 years, Diesel Technology in North Eastern College. And I talked to all these companies and they come to me and they tell me how many techs that they need. “I can use 15, I can use 20.” Big companies, like big trucking companies, they need a lot. A statistic that I remember when I was with TMC, a couple of years ago, a 265000 Diesel Technology jobs needed to be filled here, and that was three years ago.

0:08:21.8 Fred: That’s unreal.

0:08:25.1 Jimmy: I know. It is.

0:08:25.3 Fred: So, if these guys, if you get a degree in that, or you get trained, there’s a job, you’re not gonna have any problem finding a job.

0:08:29.8 Jimmy: No problem, and if you’re committed, and I emphasize that if you’re committed and you got a professional attitude and your knowledge will come with time, but it’s good to have some base knowledge on it. You’ll make… I don’t know how many students I had made more money than me that first year. Than me being a teacher.

0:08:44.7 Fred: No kidding, just boom, jumping into a job that was ready to go, like at 4Rivers, or some of the big trucking companies that you mentioned.

0:08:52.8 Jimmy: Yes, you can get up to six figures. Yeah, yeah, easy.

0:08:54.7 Fred: Unreal. Now, there’s also scholarship programs at 4Rivers, and this impressed me, and I didn’t even know this part of the business, but as I work with 4Rivers, I’m learning more and more about some of the advantages of either working at 4Rivers, or purchasing equipment from them. But talk to me a little bit about a scholarship program. Aren’t you guys helping people go through school, to get a degree?

0:09:19.3 Jimmy: College is expensive, and I know this. I just put a daughter through college.

0:09:23.5 Fred: I understand. I put two boys through too.

0:09:25.2 Jimmy: And nobody helped me, nobody helped me. And man, she had really good grades, had a few scholarships and stuff like that, but… Think of this, intimidation is really high on a student’s mind when they graduate, go into a new company, and there’s seasoned techs all around them and all that. But with 4Rivers, what they’re gonna do is just break them in a little bit at a time and get to know them, and then help them through college, tool allotments maybe, and tuition payback and stuff. And as they’re doing that during their breaks and all that, they may be shadowing a seasoned tech and stuff like that. When they get done and they’re finally graduated. It’d be like going home to them, and they’ll know these guys. They’ll know who’s who and where to park, and where their stall’s gonna be and everything like that. And it takes so much off of that student when they graduate.

0:10:11.7 Fred: Right, you mentioned something there. I remember hearing about that. There’s even tool allotments and that’s…

0:10:16.5 Jimmy: Yeah.

0:10:17.3 Fred: That’s huge, because getting tools, that’s a big thing, that’s…

0:10:19.4 Jimmy: Oh yeah.

0:10:21.9 Fred: To get good tools is expensive, and there’s allotments at 4Rivers, will actually help those guys get set up with what they need.

0:10:29.1 Jimmy: Right.

0:10:29.6 Fred: To do their job and make a lot of money. So if you’re listening to this podcast and you’re looking for a pretty amazing job to literally get some training… What does that training take? Give me an idea how long.

0:10:44.2 Jimmy: To be a Diesel Technology straight out of high school, I would think a good two year program, diesel program would get you the basics and you would be successful.

0:10:54.3 Fred: And you could start out. Literally start out, 50 to 100000, is reasonable, right?

0:10:58.2 Jimmy: Yeah, I haven’t seen a wage any lower than 42000.

0:11:03.9 Fred: Wow.

0:11:04.6 Jimmy: To begin with, no. And then, like I said, they’re not gonna start you off at a higher wage. What they’re gonna do is they’re gonna assess everything, your productivity and your knowledge, and then if they’re a smart company, they will reward you for accomplishments and keep you. And that’s my job too, just to keep techs with 4Rivers, keep them knowledgeable and make what they’re training fun. I know I’m gonna be the guy that’s gonna not let them go to exotic places and get motels and food and all this other stuff, cause, I’ve been in a lot of service schools, and it’s kinda neat to go out there. But you do learn a lot from fellow technicians when you get together from other… All dealerships get together. You learn a lot more sometimes when you just talk to the other dealerships. Techs in those dealerships and what’s going on.

0:11:52.0 Fred: Well, it’s amazing to me how much, and I’ve heard a lot of the mechanics talk about this. A lot of the issues really stem from guys in the field, that own the equipment and not doing simple things like greasing. I’ve had guys tell me, time and time again, Fred, maintenance is super, super important, and a lot of the issues…

0:12:09.6 Jimmy: Preventive maintenance.

0:12:11.5 Fred: Right, preventative maintenance, and you know what I mean. Hydraulic fluid and grease, making sure you’re greasing everything and checking all your fluid levels. That preventative maintenance, isn’t that a huge part? If you guys could also train the owners of equipment, to be better or encourage these guys, which I know you guys do in the field when you’re selling the equipment and telling guys and the salesman do a good job of that, but wouldn’t that cause a lot less issues if guys did that, service it, preventative maintenance in the field or bring it into a dealer and get that periodically checked?

0:12:46.9 Jimmy: Oh, definitely, definitely. And in the trucking division, that is really, yeah, preventative maintenance saves downtime and any of it just being on top of your oil changes and not going to some discount store and buying oil that’s a lot cheaper than what should be going into it. Just staying with OEM oils that is meant for it.

0:13:05.4 Fred: Right.

0:13:06.3 Jimmy: That’ll keep it going. And that’s very important, yeah. You might spend some money, a lot of money maybe for oils, initial oil changes, but considering a new transmission or an engine going down on you because you cut corners or you left the oil in too long, it’s far cheaper to just keep up on everything. Yeah, just keep up on everything.

0:13:26.1 Fred: See, that’s what’s… Now, how much does your job entail traveling to all the different… ’cause there’s a lot of different 4Rivers dealers. Colorado, Wyoming, Texas, New Mexico, there’s a bunch of different dealers that are set up. Do you travel to all those Jimmy, in your job or how many of those are you going to?

0:13:44.6 Jimmy: I expect to and I kind of want to. I’m from Southern Colorado, so I’m kind of familiar with the New Mexico territory. I lived in Las Cruces in between my freshman and sophomore year, and I baled straw for the Ruidoso Race Tracks down there.

0:13:58.9 Fred: Oh yeah.

0:14:00.6 Jimmy: And so I know Las Cruces. I know El Paso and every dealership’s different. It depends on where they’re at. So one dealership might have combine problems and the one down south might have different problems of some kind. So they’re all unique, and so I hope to go to each dealership and see what their needs are.

0:14:17.9 Fred: And I love that you have experience in the field. You just mentioned that you were baling some hay.

0:14:22.1 Jimmy: Oh yeah. A wire Freeman Baler. Yeah, where you sit on top of it with two Wisconsin engines and you just buck back and forth all day long. And that’s when it was so hot, you baled late at night, so the leaves don’t fall off and a new Hall and Hay stacker. Like I said, my work ethic has came from my parents working on the ranch. I couldn’t be in football because I had to do the third cutting of hay and stuff like that, so… And I’m passionate about it and I always will be.

0:14:50.0 Fred: But that’s one of the things, again, and I point this out with a lot, in a lot of the podcasts that I do with 4Rivers employees, because I think this is so important. You’ve been in the field, you can relate to the farmer. You’ve been out there on the tractors, you’ve been there working on the balers. You understand what guys go through and the stress of getting it cut and hitting that moisture percentage just right. And having to get it put up and sometimes during inclemental weather and things like that. It has to be done. So one thing that’s impressed me is as I do these podcasts with different 4Rivers employees, I’ve talked to guys that have cattle operations, hay operations on the side. We talked to a guy that was… He has a lambing operation and also competes in shows.

0:15:39.3 Fred: And you’ve got that background in hay and a lot of these guys do, and I think that’s one of the key components to what makes 4Rivers so successful, is whether it’s from your side of the business, from repairing those machines and understanding how important it is to get a mechanic on site quickly, whether it’s from the sales side, guys being able to relate to the customer that they’re selling to. Because they know, they’ve been on the tractors. They understand how important it is to bale. They understand how important it is to have a working skid steer or… Have that dozer operating or as you mentioned, on a construction site, if a guy’s down, it’s hurting his way of life.

0:16:20.8 Jimmy: Definitely, definitely, and another little advantage, and I feel that I’m bringing to 4Rivers is we need to start building our own… I call it a food chain. We need to start enticing technicians, young ones early on, so we’re gonna work into, as I travel down there, of recruiting out of high schools and offering these tuition programs and stuff like this, and helping the Diesel Technology schools. I know when I was with Diesel Technology College, I needed stuff so drastically, but our budgets wouldn’t allow us to buy it. I needed a tractor with a computer on it so that we can plug in. Our budgets were limited. We could not do it, so it’d be like teaching somebody how to bake a cake and then go downstairs and not have an oven.

[chuckle]

0:17:04.0 Jimmy: So what good does it do to talk about it and draw it on the board and show a film about it and then go downstairs and you had nothing to apply it to. So hopefully, as I start getting into this, that I will go to these Diesel Technology schools in the areas of these diesel… Or at least, dealerships and start helping build our own food chain and start with the dealerships there and the schools and the high schools. And that all is with counselors, high school counselors to direct kids to be diesel.

0:17:31.5 Fred: So it really starts at the high school level.

0:17:34.0 Jimmy: I think so. I think junior high is right there at the good age, that’s when they’re looking. And I’ve done so many career fairs in high school, tours and stuff like that, and I think junior high, or what they call it middle school now.

0:17:46.3 Fred: Now, where do you think the focus in the service industry is right now? I guess, as we look at the service industry, at mechanics specifically, since that’s what you’re kinda heading up, let’s talk a little bit about what direction is that service industry going.

0:18:04.3 Jimmy: I think emissions and electronics are just needing to be kept up. The technology, your GPS, your guidance systems, your emission systems, all of that stuff. I think it needs to be sharp all the time.

0:18:22.5 Fred: Yeah. And up to date on the technology, ’cause you mentioned something to me earlier, again before the podcast and when we were talking, and I wanna kinda circle back to that, ’cause you said a lot of times people think of diesel mechanics and they think of a guy in a coverall, who’s covered in grease, and this and that. And you said it’s really not that way.

0:18:40.8 Jimmy: No.

0:18:42.3 Fred: Frankly, a lot of it is technology and computer systems and going through and learning codes. So talk a little bit about that because I think a lot of people when they think mechanic, they think of something like that. So talk a little bit about how that’s changed over the years.

0:19:00.3 Jimmy: Oh, it’s the guys that put the little floor mats in and wear the little booties and get into… Get into your vehicle and put a laptop and fix it with just a couple of pushes of a button or they locate a sensor that went bad, and those are the guys that make money. And don’t get me wrong, the guys that rebuild drive trains and stuff like that make money too, but these… Electronic systems will diagnose itself, you just know how to… You need to know how to use it, and electricity is simple, but it’s also complicated and you just need to learn to think like it, and just do your critical thinking and your troubleshooting, and I hope to polish that, but… Back to your question, emissions… And it’s not dirty anymore. In my opinion, the government should be paying these tractor owners of these new tractors for cleaning the air. [laughter] Cause the air that’s coming out the exhaust pipes is probably cleaner than the air that’s around it, that it’s going through right now.

0:19:54.0 Fred: It’s unreal, the difference. And I know there’s been a lot of people that have programs, state of California, for example, I’ve got some buddies that farm out there, and there was all kinds of programs where they could trade in older… Tractors get newer ones because it was releasing… Less exhaust and like you said, these newer systems, and I think it’s interesting because there’s a theme of technology, not only helping people run more efficiently, more profitably, but also… And I’m glad you brought it up, the emissions and the technology and the computer systems that are helping diagnose stuff.

0:20:30.9 Jimmy: Exactly, and there are some programs out there, if you need a rebuilt engine and you have an older engine that’s not emission compliant, they put a big core charge on it to make sure that they get that back, and you put the newer engine in with emissions, ’cause they want it off, they don’t want it in a tractor they don’t want it anywhere, and that they put a high price on that core, so they can destroy it, so… Yeah, little by little, all the older stuff is getting deleted and the one with emissions is all being put and implemented. It’s complicated, it is, and it does cure a lot of problems, and I think that just the right training and everything for the techs to pinpoint what’s going on, and it’s up to the operator too just to put good urea in it, keep up on all of the stuff that needs to be done, the filters and all like that, and you should have a trouble free… Good fuel is so important too with these high emission engines. Good fuel.

0:21:24.9 Fred: Yeah, don’t skip on that.

0:21:26.5 Jimmy: Right, yeah. Well, there’s no sulfur in diesel fuel anymore, and you just gotta just take care of it, you gotta have good fuel. Yeah.

0:21:34.3 Fred: Now, let me ask you this again, and I love your passion, I love to talk to somebody that’s passionate about what they do.

0:21:41.3 Jimmy: Oh, I appreciate that.

0:21:42.1 Fred: That to me makes it fun, but if you were to narrow down and say, “Fred, this is my favorite part of my job.” Like if I said, “Jimmy, what’s your favorite part?” What’s your favorite part of your job? If you had to single out one thing and go, “You know, that makes me really happy when I’m doing this.” Or… What would that be?

0:22:01.5 Jimmy: Oh, wow. There’s so many, especially working for this company, I mean everybody just treated me like I was… Like I’ve been gone for a long time, like I’m a family member that’s been gone. What I would have to say, I think to seeing techs succeed, and if the techs succeed with 4Rivers then the dealership will succeed, and the parts people will succeed and everything will succeed, and I think you just gotta just keep that going. And techs are so important. Would you buy a car if you knew that you couldn’t get it fixed you know, properly would you? You wouldn’t.

0:22:38.9 Fred: No, that’s a great… You know and I think that’s a great point right there again that you just brought up, because you need to… Everything needs to be serviced at some point, and yeah, I wouldn’t buy one. And that’s one of the reasons that I originally started purchasing stuff from 4Rivers, ’cause I knew they had my back, you know, whether it was in the field or if I brought it there to get it serviced…

0:22:58.5 Jimmy: Right.

0:22:58.7 Fred: You know, that’s a good point. People need to look at… When you’re investing that kind of money in a piece of equipment, and it doesn’t matter to me, I mean it can be a small compact utility tractor or a big baler or a large tractor, or a skid steer or a dozer or excavator. Any of the types of equipment that you guys work on.

0:23:16.1 Jimmy: Right, yeah.

0:23:17.0 Fred: You have to have somebody that has your back on that piece of equipment, that you can get too relatively easy or that’ll come to you.

0:23:23.8 Jimmy: Exactly, exactly, and there are so many preventative maintenance programs that 4Rivers does off-season. So they can go, the techs can go through the piece of equipment and make sure it’s ready for next season and that… That pays for itself.

0:23:33.7 Fred: Right.

0:23:34.9 Jimmy: They do that every year, and it keeps the techs busy, and there’s just so many ways that 4Rivers wants to keep that equipment running good.

0:23:43.1 Fred: Well, let me ask you one other question, kind of in closing here, and this is something that I ask a lot of people is, you’ve worked on everything really across the board…

0:23:52.3 Jimmy: Oh, I’ve even done locomotives, I have. [laughter]

0:23:52.7 Fred: If it runs diesel you’ve worked on it.

0:23:58.4 Jimmy: Oh yeah. No, yeah you’re right. I feel old, okay.

[laughter]

0:24:03.1 Fred: Don’t feel old, I think it’s awesome. I love the experience level you have, but if you were to say, “Fred, this is my favorite piece of equipment.” Do you have one that you just go, This is my favorite. It could be a tractor, it doesn’t matter if it’s a John Deere tractor or John Deere construction equipment. Do you have one that you go, “Man, I don’t know why, but this is just my favorite piece of equipment.”

0:24:29.6 Jimmy: I would have to say, I love the big articulated Ag tractors.

0:24:37.0 Fred: Nice.

0:24:37.6 Jimmy: And I’ve seen… And there’s something that really made me appreciate it more than ever, and down there where I’m from the fires, and they would have those big tractors with discs on them, load it up with fuel waiting, and when there was a fire break out, I’d see them things back and forth making a fire line like crazy, and the abuse that they took, but they would save acres and acres of wheat… Those big tractors. But that’s just a small part of why I appreciate them, I mean I just like the way they look, and I’ve always…

0:25:08.4 Fred: The a turning radius on articulating… [laughter]

0:25:11.6 Jimmy: Yeah, and the technology it’s in them now. I mean I worked on some of the old old stuff, and the old crap steering ones, and I mean the technology in them right now… But I’ve seen wives chew out husbands, they’re thinking that they didn’t work on the tractor when they did, they didn’t even get dirty, they’ve been out there all day and they come back to eat lunch and they’re clean as they were when they left. [laughter] And so the wife gets mad at them because they think that they went to town for something… To the bar [laughter] No, I was out there. So you don’t even get dirty, you don’t sweat. These tractors got refrigerators in them and seats that massage you and heads-up display coming in and they’re just… I would love to sit in one of these tractors and you don’t even have to steer them anymore. I mean it’s all GPS guided. You just gotta be afraid of falling asleep really.

0:25:55.9 Fred: See that would come in… You know I have an old open cab. [laughter]

0:26:00.0 Jimmy: That’s what I did.

0:26:01.5 Fred: An old 4020 and I would have sun-glasses on and I would come in covered with dirt. I look like a raccoon, I would take off, and I had white eyes, and that was about it, and I could take my shirt off and I’d have that dirt line around my neck. And around my arms and to be… I guess that’s one of the fun things. And Jimmy, I appreciate you coming on with us today.

0:26:22.9 Jimmy: Thank you.

0:26:24.9 Fred: So the next time you have a piece equipment worked on, know that here at 4Rivers that Jimmy Atencio probably, he’s gonna have a hand or some input in helping get those guys trained up, and I appreciate everything you do, and more than anything, I appreciate how much you care and the experience level you have in the field because you’ve been in that position.

0:26:45.7 Jimmy: I appreciate it, Fred and yeah, I couldn’t be happier. Thank you for doing this.

0:26:50.6 Fred: I appreciate you, man. And good luck in everything you’re doing.

0:26:52.6 Jimmy: Thank you.